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		<title>By: guyadam</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/we-are-all-guillermo-vargas/comment-page-1/#comment-16836</link>
		<dc:creator>guyadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be kidding me with your logic here. calling eating meat to satisfy a desire and prodding a kitten to watch it suffer and satisfy a desire the epitome of ill-logic and a false equivalency is an understatement. You&#039;re an idiot. No wonder meat-eaters hate us vegans. It&#039;s people like you that give us all a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be kidding me with your logic here. calling eating meat to satisfy a desire and prodding a kitten to watch it suffer and satisfy a desire the epitome of ill-logic and a false equivalency is an understatement. You&#8217;re an idiot. No wonder meat-eaters hate us vegans. It&#8217;s people like you that give us all a bad name.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegan Athletes Abound &#124; Sally Andersen Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegan Athletes Abound &#124; Sally Andersen Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * The Vegan Soapbox has a good article about being a vegan athlete in general titled “We Are All Guillermo Vargas.” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Face Of Cruelty</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/we-are-all-guillermo-vargas/comment-page-1/#comment-5599</link>
		<dc:creator>The Face Of Cruelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related: We are all Guillermo Vargas. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>killing for sport or how you say &quot;art&quot; is disgusting. there was no need for this. poor dog tied to a rope for his final remaining days and for what? a few pictures?
if you hit a deer while your driving it is usually unintentional. you dont mean to do it and if you could youd probably avoid hitting that deer.
but i have a 6 month old puppy and a part of me died inside when i saw this dog. my pup was brutally attacked by a 10 year old kid with a hatchet. he barely made it out with his life. i nursed him back to health, and now he is more loyal than any friend i will ever have. that. my friends is what i call art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>killing for sport or how you say &#8220;art&#8221; is disgusting. there was no need for this. poor dog tied to a rope for his final remaining days and for what? a few pictures?<br />
if you hit a deer while your driving it is usually unintentional. you dont mean to do it and if you could youd probably avoid hitting that deer.<br />
but i have a 6 month old puppy and a part of me died inside when i saw this dog. my pup was brutally attacked by a 10 year old kid with a hatchet. he barely made it out with his life. i nursed him back to health, and now he is more loyal than any friend i will ever have. that. my friends is what i call art.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuriy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuriy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am badly impressed about this action, made by Varges. Is he a God, which can take and give live? He noticed that all his actions was pointed only for protecting animals, because he wants to show the problem with homeless pets. He is a big liar, after this show a lot of people all over the world argued him for it, but he find a good way to clean his name with the help of lies. 
 I am a big fan of art. It help us humans develop us, to find every time something more and more, showing us that we do not have any limits, but this…….. I do not want to use bad words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am badly impressed about this action, made by Varges. Is he a God, which can take and give live? He noticed that all his actions was pointed only for protecting animals, because he wants to show the problem with homeless pets. He is a big liar, after this show a lot of people all over the world argued him for it, but he find a good way to clean his name with the help of lies.<br />
 I am a big fan of art. It help us humans develop us, to find every time something more and more, showing us that we do not have any limits, but this…….. I do not want to use bad words.</p>
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		<title>By: Living Without Meat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Vegan Sportif</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/we-are-all-guillermo-vargas/comment-page-1/#comment-1389</link>
		<dc:creator>Living Without Meat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Vegan Sportif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Vegan Soapbox had two good articles recently: One about being a vegan athlete in general titled &#8220;We Are All Guillermo Vargas.&#8221; The other highlighting Carl [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren, thanks for your comment! 

Notice that you do not have to eat meat to be healthy, evidence and common sense would support this claim; therefore, animals must unnecessarily suffer and die to satisfy your desire to eat meat - unnecessary because consuming flesh is a choice not a need. &quot;We are all Mr. Vargas&quot; because like him, we prefer to exploit these animals in these ways - there is no need. As you said, you have a desire that you want fulfilled; ergo, an animal must be forced to suffer extreme cruelty and neglect to satisfy your desire. This is analogous to Mr. Vargas and his desire to &quot;make art.&quot; His act of cruelty, however, makes us feel uncomfortable while killing an animal simply to please our palate doesn&#039;t.  

Finally, I do indeed have a desire to eat meat - some meat taste&#039;s good! However, this simple desire ought to not trump another animal&#039;s interest in living a life free of suffering, pain, and untimely death. I &quot;preach&quot; to you because this is a matter of justice: would you call anti-racist discourses &quot;preachy&quot;? Animals can reasonably be considered possessors of inherent value and those correlative moral rights that accompany such value. We violate these rights for such trivial reasons as your &quot;desire to eat meat,&quot; therefore I have a duty, as a matter of justice, to explain to you why we are all morally wrong - we are all Mr. Vargas.

I do appreciate your participation and I applaud your willingness to have a conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren, thanks for your comment! </p>
<p>Notice that you do not have to eat meat to be healthy, evidence and common sense would support this claim; therefore, animals must unnecessarily suffer and die to satisfy your desire to eat meat &#8211; unnecessary because consuming flesh is a choice not a need. &#8220;We are all Mr. Vargas&#8221; because like him, we prefer to exploit these animals in these ways &#8211; there is no need. As you said, you have a desire that you want fulfilled; ergo, an animal must be forced to suffer extreme cruelty and neglect to satisfy your desire. This is analogous to Mr. Vargas and his desire to &#8220;make art.&#8221; His act of cruelty, however, makes us feel uncomfortable while killing an animal simply to please our palate doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Finally, I do indeed have a desire to eat meat &#8211; some meat taste&#8217;s good! However, this simple desire ought to not trump another animal&#8217;s interest in living a life free of suffering, pain, and untimely death. I &#8220;preach&#8221; to you because this is a matter of justice: would you call anti-racist discourses &#8220;preachy&#8221;? Animals can reasonably be considered possessors of inherent value and those correlative moral rights that accompany such value. We violate these rights for such trivial reasons as your &#8220;desire to eat meat,&#8221; therefore I have a duty, as a matter of justice, to explain to you why we are all morally wrong &#8211; we are all Mr. Vargas.</p>
<p>I do appreciate your participation and I applaud your willingness to have a conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i eat meat, i came across this site because of my outrage at reading about Guillermo Vargas. I am appalled that sensible people who make a life choice such as vegans can say something so stupid as we are like the aforementioned &quot;artist&quot;. What he does is cruelty. But while reading the blog I have to comment on one part, i choose to satisfy my desire of eating meat, exactly the same as you choose to satisfy your desire not to eat meat, i dont preach to you about how you live your lives and i dont think you should preach to others, i dont think any less of you because of your choice, even though it differs from mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i eat meat, i came across this site because of my outrage at reading about Guillermo Vargas. I am appalled that sensible people who make a life choice such as vegans can say something so stupid as we are like the aforementioned &#8220;artist&#8221;. What he does is cruelty. But while reading the blog I have to comment on one part, i choose to satisfy my desire of eating meat, exactly the same as you choose to satisfy your desire not to eat meat, i dont preach to you about how you live your lives and i dont think you should preach to others, i dont think any less of you because of your choice, even though it differs from mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s odd that none mention veganism. It is so clearly the logical result of our outrage over Mr. Vargas.

Alexs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/05/ive-been-a-horsey-person.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In memory of Frodo Baggins. Stupid name, lovely horse.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s odd that none mention veganism. It is so clearly the logical result of our outrage over Mr. Vargas.</p>
<p>Alexs last blog post..<a href="http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/05/ive-been-a-horsey-person.html" rel="nofollow">In memory of Frodo Baggins. Stupid name, lovely horse.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Wayne Pacelle wrote about Vargas here:
http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/04/street-dog-art.html

He said, &quot;We cannot turn our gaze from this terrible problem throughout the world. And when we do focus on the problem, we must turn our anger into action, and select the right targets. Let&#039;s pivot from Vargas and focus on the ongoing cruelty, rather than seek retribution.&quot; yet he didn&#039;t suggest to his readers that they make the leap from dog as companion animal to pigs or cows as food. He didn&#039;t recommend veganism.

His readers responded with a variety of thoughts:
http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/05/dog-art-exhibit.html
but still none mentioned veganism. So I left this comment there:

&quot;I&#039;m surprised none of the responses you chose to post made the connection between animals as art and animals as food. Neither use of animals is necessary. Both uses of animals cause suffering. If we should take Mr. Vargas&#039;s actions as a pivot-point, let it be to engage in fewer unnecessary cruelties in our own lives. Go vegan!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Wayne Pacelle wrote about Vargas here:<br />
<a href="http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/04/street-dog-art.html" rel="nofollow">http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/04/street-dog-art.html</a></p>
<p>He said, &#8220;We cannot turn our gaze from this terrible problem throughout the world. And when we do focus on the problem, we must turn our anger into action, and select the right targets. Let&#8217;s pivot from Vargas and focus on the ongoing cruelty, rather than seek retribution.&#8221; yet he didn&#8217;t suggest to his readers that they make the leap from dog as companion animal to pigs or cows as food. He didn&#8217;t recommend veganism.</p>
<p>His readers responded with a variety of thoughts:<br />
<a href="http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/05/dog-art-exhibit.html" rel="nofollow">http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/05/dog-art-exhibit.html</a><br />
but still none mentioned veganism. So I left this comment there:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m surprised none of the responses you chose to post made the connection between animals as art and animals as food. Neither use of animals is necessary. Both uses of animals cause suffering. If we should take Mr. Vargas&#8217;s actions as a pivot-point, let it be to engage in fewer unnecessary cruelties in our own lives. Go vegan!&#8221;</p>
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