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		<title>By: NewVegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewVegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently changed over to vegi only. Im am in the process of veganism. This fighting that I am reading is killing me. I am going to vegan to show my stance in life. Its what I believe in. I went vegi to stop the ulcers from growing any larger in my lower intestine (I can not digest the fiberous content of meat or pork, it is unknown if i can digest fish or chicken). But without taking sides... I have to say that just the reading of these fights are causing alot of suffering in my life. People are going to do what they are going to do in life. We(vegi&#039;s and vegans) will unfortunatly never stop the meat eaters from doing so. And the meat eaters will never sway our decisions either. By living a life of harmony with animals, we need to realize that we (as humans) are animals also. So the same way that we are hurting a cow (because they dont see the kill coming or that the way they are being treated is wrong) we are slinging stones at houses made of glass. WE ALL LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES!!! No matter what we eat. Dont serve me meat and I wont serve you meat. But dont&#039;t be mad when I dont&#039;t serve meat and I wont be mad when you dont&#039;t accept it. I love you all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently changed over to vegi only. Im am in the process of veganism. This fighting that I am reading is killing me. I am going to vegan to show my stance in life. Its what I believe in. I went vegi to stop the ulcers from growing any larger in my lower intestine (I can not digest the fiberous content of meat or pork, it is unknown if i can digest fish or chicken). But without taking sides&#8230; I have to say that just the reading of these fights are causing alot of suffering in my life. People are going to do what they are going to do in life. We(vegi&#8217;s and vegans) will unfortunatly never stop the meat eaters from doing so. And the meat eaters will never sway our decisions either. By living a life of harmony with animals, we need to realize that we (as humans) are animals also. So the same way that we are hurting a cow (because they dont see the kill coming or that the way they are being treated is wrong) we are slinging stones at houses made of glass. WE ALL LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES!!! No matter what we eat. Dont serve me meat and I wont serve you meat. But dont&#8217;t be mad when I dont&#8217;t serve meat and I wont be mad when you dont&#8217;t accept it. I love you all</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to throw in there that eating a bunch of different vegetables is much healthier than eating a dead chicken.  AND your body doesnt need to work nearly as hard to digestion them.

There are many MANY studies that prove omnivores have higher risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hormonal imbalances, and basically every illness.  The reason for this is not only consuming the meat, but the way the meat was initailly obtained.  Your not just eating a hamburger that was once a happy cow that would run around in the open medows until the day it died and became your dinner.  Your eating a cow that was grown in a disgusting infested slaughter house filled with diseases and mistreatment.  Most of these animals go through the most horrific &quot;torture&quot; so you can get your Big Mac.  By tourture I mean how people who work at slaughter houses are not validictorians.  They KILL ANIMALS FOR A LIVING.  You think they care about the animals?! NO they dont, if you were to visit a slaughter house you would experience the horrific sounds of animals screaming for being scalped alive, most of these animals arn&#039;t paralyzed when they are supposed to be and feel everything that happens to them.  Sorry I just thought you should know.

OH YEAH, AND... the next time you go to drink a nice cup of cold refreshing milk, there is blood and pus in it.  Yes, there is.  Its proven the FDA doesnt deny it.  Why do you think they advertise milk so much? It&#039;s because they know if they dont people will realize that they honestly dont need it, and it is just making them fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to throw in there that eating a bunch of different vegetables is much healthier than eating a dead chicken.  AND your body doesnt need to work nearly as hard to digestion them.</p>
<p>There are many MANY studies that prove omnivores have higher risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hormonal imbalances, and basically every illness.  The reason for this is not only consuming the meat, but the way the meat was initailly obtained.  Your not just eating a hamburger that was once a happy cow that would run around in the open medows until the day it died and became your dinner.  Your eating a cow that was grown in a disgusting infested slaughter house filled with diseases and mistreatment.  Most of these animals go through the most horrific &#8220;torture&#8221; so you can get your Big Mac.  By tourture I mean how people who work at slaughter houses are not validictorians.  They KILL ANIMALS FOR A LIVING.  You think they care about the animals?! NO they dont, if you were to visit a slaughter house you would experience the horrific sounds of animals screaming for being scalped alive, most of these animals arn&#8217;t paralyzed when they are supposed to be and feel everything that happens to them.  Sorry I just thought you should know.</p>
<p>OH YEAH, AND&#8230; the next time you go to drink a nice cup of cold refreshing milk, there is blood and pus in it.  Yes, there is.  Its proven the FDA doesnt deny it.  Why do you think they advertise milk so much? It&#8217;s because they know if they dont people will realize that they honestly dont need it, and it is just making them fat.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tallius,
Re. cancer, heart disease, diabetes:
http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php
http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/ChinaStudy_Excerpt.pdf
or even
http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/home_3979_ENU_HTML.htm

Re. protein:
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/protein/
or even just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_in_nutrition

Re. environment:
http://www.epa.gov/region07/water/cafo/cafo_impact_environment.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/cafos/about.htm
http://www.ncifap.org/
http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.htm

Re. ethics argument:
Premise 1 = Each animal is an individual who deserves the ability to pursue pleasure and avoid pain without unnecessary human interference. Said another way: causing unnecessary suffering is wrong.
Premise 2 =  It is not necessary for humans to eat animal products. Eating animal products = causing unnecessary suffering.
Conclusion = Humans should be vegan.

or
If you don&#039;t like premise 1, you can substitute the health or environmental reasons for veganism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tallius,<br />
Re. cancer, heart disease, diabetes:<br />
<a href="http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php</a><br />
<a href="http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/ChinaStudy_Excerpt.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/ChinaStudy_Excerpt.pdf</a><br />
or even<br />
<a href="http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/home_3979_ENU_HTML.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/home_3979_ENU_HTML.htm</a></p>
<p>Re. protein:<br />
<a href="http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/protein/" rel="nofollow">http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/protein/</a><br />
or even just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_in_nutrition" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_in_nutrition</a></p>
<p>Re. environment:<br />
<a href="http://www.epa.gov/region07/water/cafo/cafo_impact_environment.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/region07/water/cafo/cafo_impact_environment.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/cafos/about.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/cafos/about.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncifap.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncifap.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.htm</a></p>
<p>Re. ethics argument:<br />
Premise 1 = Each animal is an individual who deserves the ability to pursue pleasure and avoid pain without unnecessary human interference. Said another way: causing unnecessary suffering is wrong.<br />
Premise 2 =  It is not necessary for humans to eat animal products. Eating animal products = causing unnecessary suffering.<br />
Conclusion = Humans should be vegan.</p>
<p>or<br />
If you don&#8217;t like premise 1, you can substitute the health or environmental reasons for veganism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tallius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tallius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[cost to human health (increased risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes]

It is very much possible to get cancer/heart disease from excessive consumption of plant-based foods just as it is possible to get cancer from eating excessive amounts of meat but a well-balanced meal will reduce that risk so this is a moot point. 


[Tallius, The human body’s design forms strings of “complete” protein from various amino acids acquired through various plant sources.]

That&#039;s partially wrong. You&#039;re on the right track but you got some information mixed up. The human body can produce 10 of the 18 essential amino acids just by synthesizing glucose. The 8 that it can&#039;t produce is covered by consuming either a single source of meat, like eggs for instance, which has all 8 of the amino acids or eating multiple plant sources, as I&#039;ve previously said. And you need multiple plant sources because neither one of them are &quot;complete,&quot; in the sense that any single plant will not give you all 8 of the amino acids, hence the necessity to consume more than one kind of plant to obtain all 8 amino acids. Otherwise, what you just said is an exact mirror of what I just said except with some details mixed up. Good job. You just made a tautology. 

[cost to the environment (pollution, habitat destruction).]

Sorry, I&#039;m unclear on this. Can you elaborate how killing animals cause pollution and habitat destruction?

[There is no reason to eat animals, particularly because eating animals comes at great cost: cost to animals (suffering and death)]

Can you elaborate on how the death of a cow is a great cost to humanity? Can you also elaborate on how the suffering of a cow is a great cost to humanity? I&#039;d like to know your personal answers so that I may better address them. I do not wish to make assumptions about your position as a vegan because vegans hold many positions and beliefs. I&#039;d just like to be clear on what you stand on as well as where you stand on various issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[cost to human health (increased risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes]</p>
<p>It is very much possible to get cancer/heart disease from excessive consumption of plant-based foods just as it is possible to get cancer from eating excessive amounts of meat but a well-balanced meal will reduce that risk so this is a moot point. </p>
<p>[Tallius, The human body’s design forms strings of “complete” protein from various amino acids acquired through various plant sources.]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s partially wrong. You&#8217;re on the right track but you got some information mixed up. The human body can produce 10 of the 18 essential amino acids just by synthesizing glucose. The 8 that it can&#8217;t produce is covered by consuming either a single source of meat, like eggs for instance, which has all 8 of the amino acids or eating multiple plant sources, as I&#8217;ve previously said. And you need multiple plant sources because neither one of them are &#8220;complete,&#8221; in the sense that any single plant will not give you all 8 of the amino acids, hence the necessity to consume more than one kind of plant to obtain all 8 amino acids. Otherwise, what you just said is an exact mirror of what I just said except with some details mixed up. Good job. You just made a tautology. </p>
<p>[cost to the environment (pollution, habitat destruction).]</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m unclear on this. Can you elaborate how killing animals cause pollution and habitat destruction?</p>
<p>[There is no reason to eat animals, particularly because eating animals comes at great cost: cost to animals (suffering and death)]</p>
<p>Can you elaborate on how the death of a cow is a great cost to humanity? Can you also elaborate on how the suffering of a cow is a great cost to humanity? I&#8217;d like to know your personal answers so that I may better address them. I do not wish to make assumptions about your position as a vegan because vegans hold many positions and beliefs. I&#8217;d just like to be clear on what you stand on as well as where you stand on various issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tallius, The human body&#039;s design forms strings of &quot;complete&quot; protein from various amino acids acquired through various plant sources. It&#039;s simple, easy, and natural. There is no reason to eat animals, particularly because eating animals comes at great cost: cost to animals (suffering and death), cost to human health (increased risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes), and cost to the environment (pollution, habitat destruction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tallius, The human body&#8217;s design forms strings of &#8220;complete&#8221; protein from various amino acids acquired through various plant sources. It&#8217;s simple, easy, and natural. There is no reason to eat animals, particularly because eating animals comes at great cost: cost to animals (suffering and death), cost to human health (increased risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes), and cost to the environment (pollution, habitat destruction).</p>
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		<title>By: Tallius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tallius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea..greens are also a source of protein but plant protein is incomplete and you would need multiple sources to get the equivalent of just eating meat. I&#039;m just saying. I&#039;m not trying to pick a fight or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea..greens are also a source of protein but plant protein is incomplete and you would need multiple sources to get the equivalent of just eating meat. I&#8217;m just saying. I&#8217;m not trying to pick a fight or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, greens are also a source of protein! Also, whole grains!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, greens are also a source of protein! Also, whole grains!</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greens! You forgot to mention greens as a protein source! Go, greens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greens! You forgot to mention greens as a protein source! Go, greens!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! 

Veganism isn&#039;t extreme, its just morally consistent. Most people agree it is wrong to needlessly hurt others. Vegans are just a bit more consistent with this basic ethical principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! </p>
<p>Veganism isn&#8217;t extreme, its just morally consistent. Most people agree it is wrong to needlessly hurt others. Vegans are just a bit more consistent with this basic ethical principle.</p>
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