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	<title>Comments on: Vegan Bites: Responses To PETA Reward, Vat Meat, &amp; The NY Times</title>
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		<title>By: Stay Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stay Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what I was looking for, one more reason I&#039;m vegan! Thank you and keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I was looking for, one more reason I&#8217;m vegan! Thank you and keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dear Vegetarians&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dear Vegetarians&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is kind of obvious: flesh is flesh. You can&#8217;t get meat (yet) without killing animals. (This is why some children go vegetarian of their own volition, when they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SmarterFitter Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vegetarian Carnival</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/vegan-bites-responses-to-peta-reward-imeat-the-ny-times/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>SmarterFitter Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vegetarian Carnival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vegan presents Vegan Bites: Responses To PETA Reward, Vat Meat, &amp; The NY Times posted at Vegan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/vegan-bites-responses-to-peta-reward-imeat-the-ny-times/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there were three published letters. Here are excepts from two of them:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There is no happy ending for even the most humanely raised animal. And there is no good reason to breed, confine and kill animals for food unless we believe that economic benefit justifies killing. More and more people do not. We call ourselves vegetarians.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
wrote Patti Breitman. Thank you, Patti, indeed, there is no good reason to breed, confine, and kill animals for food. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;You argue that we must treasure a &#039;cultural and historical bond&#039; between us and those we eat. But that bond is based on exploitation and abuse.&quot;

&quot;If domesticated animals &#039;exist only because of the uses we have found for them,&#039; let me ask you: Would you have recommended 150 years ago that we preserve and treasure the bond between whites and their black slaves — and develop a more humane slave trade?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
wrote Vadim Liberman. Thank you, Vadim. True, our exploitation of animals is immoral and should be abolished regardless of historical or cultural significance. Ethics trump history and culture. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there were three published letters. Here are excepts from two of them:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There is no happy ending for even the most humanely raised animal. And there is no good reason to breed, confine and kill animals for food unless we believe that economic benefit justifies killing. More and more people do not. We call ourselves vegetarians.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>wrote Patti Breitman. Thank you, Patti, indeed, there is no good reason to breed, confine, and kill animals for food. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;You argue that we must treasure a &#8216;cultural and historical bond&#8217; between us and those we eat. But that bond is based on exploitation and abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If domesticated animals &#8216;exist only because of the uses we have found for them,&#8217; let me ask you: Would you have recommended 150 years ago that we preserve and treasure the bond between whites and their black slaves — and develop a more humane slave trade?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>wrote Vadim Liberman. Thank you, Vadim. True, our exploitation of animals is immoral and should be abolished regardless of historical or cultural significance. Ethics trump history and culture. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: dalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>dalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 letters to the editors @ new york times...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/opinion/l26peta.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 letters to the editors @ new york times&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/opinion/l26peta.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/opinion/l26peta.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex is right. The Times editorial presumes &quot;Interests prior to conception&quot; and is right to conclude &quot;that doesn’t even make any sense.&quot;

In fact, the Times editorial is NOT about ethics regarding human-animal interaction. Nope, the editorial is a crude and illogical justification for the human tendency to exploit and abuse.

I wrote a deeper analysis and deconstruction of the Times editorial here:
http://www.elainevigneault.com/deconstructing-meat-propaganda.html

And I sent a letter to the Times, too. Their email address is: letters@nytimes.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex is right. The Times editorial presumes &#8220;Interests prior to conception&#8221; and is right to conclude &#8220;that doesn’t even make any sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, the Times editorial is NOT about ethics regarding human-animal interaction. Nope, the editorial is a crude and illogical justification for the human tendency to exploit and abuse.</p>
<p>I wrote a deeper analysis and deconstruction of the Times editorial here:<br />
<a href="http://www.elainevigneault.com/deconstructing-meat-propaganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.elainevigneault.com/deconstructing-meat-propaganda.html</a></p>
<p>And I sent a letter to the Times, too. Their email address is: <a href="mailto:letters@nytimes.com">letters@nytimes.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:

“This has often seemed as if it were the logical conclusion of some radical animal-rights activists: better for animals not to exist at all if there is a chance that they would suffer.”

I wrote a post about statements like this here:

http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/04/an-interest-in-being-born.html

Interests prior to conception – that doesn’t even make any sense. Peter Singer also responds to this by substituting a young boy for an animal currently suffering in animal agriculture and asks, “Is it really moral to bring this boy into the world just so he has the chance to exist?” 

The NYTimes writer also wrote:

“It will be a barren world if the herds and flocks disappear in favor of meat grown in a laboratory tank.” 

This is absurd, vegans believe that we owe direct duties to those animals currently in existence, which would result (in a “vegan-world”) in the prevalence of large flocks of animals because those animals currently being exploited would be allowed to exist independent of our intervention - this would be respectful treatment and vegans believe we ought to treat all sentient beings with respect. Land limitations and over-population might necessitate some controlled reproduction; however, many animals would be able to reproduce naturally. Ergo, our world would not be barren; in fact, those “herds and flocks” would be existing far more peacefully in these idealic settings the Times writer imagines, which ought to make this writer appreciate life and nature even more.

&lt;em&gt;Alex&#039;s last blog post..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/04/an-animal-bill-of-rights.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An animal Bill of Rights?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:</p>
<p>“This has often seemed as if it were the logical conclusion of some radical animal-rights activists: better for animals not to exist at all if there is a chance that they would suffer.”</p>
<p>I wrote a post about statements like this here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/04/an-interest-in-being-born.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/04/an-interest-in-being-born.html</a></p>
<p>Interests prior to conception – that doesn’t even make any sense. Peter Singer also responds to this by substituting a young boy for an animal currently suffering in animal agriculture and asks, “Is it really moral to bring this boy into the world just so he has the chance to exist?” </p>
<p>The NYTimes writer also wrote:</p>
<p>“It will be a barren world if the herds and flocks disappear in favor of meat grown in a laboratory tank.” </p>
<p>This is absurd, vegans believe that we owe direct duties to those animals currently in existence, which would result (in a “vegan-world”) in the prevalence of large flocks of animals because those animals currently being exploited would be allowed to exist independent of our intervention &#8211; this would be respectful treatment and vegans believe we ought to treat all sentient beings with respect. Land limitations and over-population might necessitate some controlled reproduction; however, many animals would be able to reproduce naturally. Ergo, our world would not be barren; in fact, those “herds and flocks” would be existing far more peacefully in these idealic settings the Times writer imagines, which ought to make this writer appreciate life and nature even more.</p>
<p><em>Alex&#8217;s last blog post..</em><a href='http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/04/an-animal-bill-of-rights.html' rel="nofollow">An animal Bill of Rights?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it is equally sound reasoning to maintain the culture that results in female mutilation, for example, or cannibalism. &quot;Culture&quot; has become a sacred word that needs another look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it is equally sound reasoning to maintain the culture that results in female mutilation, for example, or cannibalism. &#8220;Culture&#8221; has become a sacred word that needs another look.</p>
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		<title>By: Deconstructing Meat Propaganda : Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deconstructing Meat Propaganda : Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and I&#8217;m just not going to weigh in on it here, because I already did here , here, and here. “In vitro” and “test-tube grown” are not ideas one usually associates with [...]</description>
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