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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/veal-and-dairy-lets-talk-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11488</link>
		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ds, have you read Eating Animals? In the book, the author goes on an investigation to find humane meat. He concludes that the best course of action - even if you want to support humane meat - is to go vegetarian. 

He wrote: “If animal agriculture has become a joke, perhaps this is the punch line: even Bill Niman has said he would no longer eat Niman Ranch beef.”
See, even the owners of well-known and respected &quot;humane&quot; meat companies don&#039;t think the standards are high enough.

If you care about animals at all, the best thing to do RIGHT NOW given the current state of animal agribusiness is to GO VEGAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ds, have you read Eating Animals? In the book, the author goes on an investigation to find humane meat. He concludes that the best course of action &#8211; even if you want to support humane meat &#8211; is to go vegetarian. </p>
<p>He wrote: “If animal agriculture has become a joke, perhaps this is the punch line: even Bill Niman has said he would no longer eat Niman Ranch beef.”<br />
See, even the owners of well-known and respected &#8220;humane&#8221; meat companies don&#8217;t think the standards are high enough.</p>
<p>If you care about animals at all, the best thing to do RIGHT NOW given the current state of animal agribusiness is to GO VEGAN.</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
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		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on the path to becoming vegan (I think).  still, I sort of feel ok with killing animals for food if they are treated humanely along the way.  I realize this won&#039;t resonate with everyone here.

I have heard of some small veal producers who allow the calves to graze in pastures with their mothers.  my question is whether anyone knows of dairy producers (sourcing cheese) who support these kinds of practices for the male calves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on the path to becoming vegan (I think).  still, I sort of feel ok with killing animals for food if they are treated humanely along the way.  I realize this won&#8217;t resonate with everyone here.</p>
<p>I have heard of some small veal producers who allow the calves to graze in pastures with their mothers.  my question is whether anyone knows of dairy producers (sourcing cheese) who support these kinds of practices for the male calves.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;d stay babies forever I&#039;d want one as a pet. A fully grown cow wouldn&#039;t fit in my yard lol. Why don&#039;t they just raise them and use them for meat when they are adults? I mean people are always going to eat burgers. Meat is good, I just don&#039;t think its right to eat a baby animal that has been torn away from its mother and has to live in a small enclosure for its short life. It just doesn&#039;t seem fair... Now that I&#039;m educated I am thinking about switching to soy. Hopefully theres nothing wrong with soy lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;d stay babies forever I&#8217;d want one as a pet. A fully grown cow wouldn&#8217;t fit in my yard lol. Why don&#8217;t they just raise them and use them for meat when they are adults? I mean people are always going to eat burgers. Meat is good, I just don&#8217;t think its right to eat a baby animal that has been torn away from its mother and has to live in a small enclosure for its short life. It just doesn&#8217;t seem fair&#8230; Now that I&#8217;m educated I am thinking about switching to soy. Hopefully theres nothing wrong with soy lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully understand your statement, &quot;I despise that the truth was hidden from me through all my “ethical” vegetarian years&quot; Bea. It is a useful way to begin a conversation with others, however. 

I have never offered this analogy about the pre-Civil War situation before to those who tell me that they do not eat veal because of ethical reasons but they continue to eat dairy; however, I think it can be effective in the future.

~ Recent blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/09/the-issue-of-unnecessary-suffe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The issue of &quot;unnecessary suffering&quot;&lt;/a&gt; at http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg ~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully understand your statement, &#8220;I despise that the truth was hidden from me through all my “ethical” vegetarian years&#8221; Bea. It is a useful way to begin a conversation with others, however. </p>
<p>I have never offered this analogy about the pre-Civil War situation before to those who tell me that they do not eat veal because of ethical reasons but they continue to eat dairy; however, I think it can be effective in the future.</p>
<p>~ Recent blog post: <a href="http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg/2008/09/the-issue-of-unnecessary-suffe.html" rel="nofollow">The issue of &quot;unnecessary suffering&quot;</a> at <a href="http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg" rel="nofollow">http://www.not-quiteright.net/tvg</a> ~</p>
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		<title>By: Bea Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bea Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of few animal-abuse industries that are more insidious than the dairy business.  It&#039;s true when you ask most people &quot;what happens to the baby cows&quot; they haven&#039;t got a clue. I wonder how many kids (of all ages) would delight in an icecream cone if they new that day old calves were butchered like refuse?  &quot;Veal&quot; cheese, milk and other pus-dairy products are loathsome. I dispise that the truth was hidden from me through all my &quot;ethical&quot; vegetarian years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of few animal-abuse industries that are more insidious than the dairy business.  It&#8217;s true when you ask most people &#8220;what happens to the baby cows&#8221; they haven&#8217;t got a clue. I wonder how many kids (of all ages) would delight in an icecream cone if they new that day old calves were butchered like refuse?  &#8220;Veal&#8221; cheese, milk and other pus-dairy products are loathsome. I dispise that the truth was hidden from me through all my &#8220;ethical&#8221; vegetarian years.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is absolutely something good about abstaining from veal. But take it a step further and abstain from dairy, too. It&#039;s better for animals, your health, and the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is absolutely something good about abstaining from veal. But take it a step further and abstain from dairy, too. It&#8217;s better for animals, your health, and the environment.</p>
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