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	<title>Comments on: The &#8216;Plants Feel Pain&#8217; Argument Is Faulty</title>
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		<title>By: Apparently vegetables DO scream when picked.... - Page 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apparently vegetables DO scream when picked.... - Page 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to argue that it makes more sense to kill and eat both than to only kill and eat the potato   the &#8216;Plants feel pain&#8217; argument is faulty              Reply With [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EZ</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/sorry-meat-eaters-the-plants-feel-pain-argument-is-faulty/comment-page-3/#comment-16754</link>
		<dc:creator>EZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My view is that it would be rather unfair for a just God to put grass and other plants under our feet and animals feet and have them feel pain. Not to mention they wouldn&#039;t be able to move away from the pain either. That seems wrong, so it seems only reasonable that plants wouldn&#039;t be able to feel pain. Other beings that feel pain are able to move away from it. It&#039;s just humans that take the beings that can feel pain and put them in an environment where they can&#039;t really get away from it.

I won&#039;t discredit the fact of plants not feeling pain, because I can&#039;t 100% prove it, but I find it highly unlikely. On the other hand it is 100% proven that animals feel pain. Anyone with a pet knows this, and anyone who has visited a slaughterhouse would know even better. Let&#039;s work with what is already obvious and 100% proven. If you eat animals, you know better, cut the excuses.
---xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view is that it would be rather unfair for a just God to put grass and other plants under our feet and animals feet and have them feel pain. Not to mention they wouldn&#8217;t be able to move away from the pain either. That seems wrong, so it seems only reasonable that plants wouldn&#8217;t be able to feel pain. Other beings that feel pain are able to move away from it. It&#8217;s just humans that take the beings that can feel pain and put them in an environment where they can&#8217;t really get away from it.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t discredit the fact of plants not feeling pain, because I can&#8217;t 100% prove it, but I find it highly unlikely. On the other hand it is 100% proven that animals feel pain. Anyone with a pet knows this, and anyone who has visited a slaughterhouse would know even better. Let&#8217;s work with what is already obvious and 100% proven. If you eat animals, you know better, cut the excuses.<br />
&#8212;xxx</p>
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		<title>By: Sagegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They eat each other. It’s the circle of life. &gt;&gt;

I believe at one TIME in OUR-STORY (NOT &quot;HISTORY&quot; OR &quot;HERSTORY&quot;)
they didn&#039;t -- did NOT. 

as far as &quot;&quot;&quot; IT&#039;s the circle of life...

THIS IS what we are moving out of... samsara...either way... though it&#039;s okay --- the circle of life -- TIME is NOW -- coming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They eat each other. It’s the circle of life. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I believe at one TIME in OUR-STORY (NOT &#8220;HISTORY&#8221; OR &#8220;HERSTORY&#8221;)<br />
they didn&#8217;t &#8212; did NOT. </p>
<p>as far as &#8220;&#8221;" IT&#8217;s the circle of life&#8230;</p>
<p>THIS IS what we are moving out of&#8230; samsara&#8230;either way&#8230; though it&#8217;s okay &#8212; the circle of life &#8212; TIME is NOW &#8212; coming</p>
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		<title>By: dustin the meat eater</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustin the meat eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 17:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please refute the scientific evidence. Studies have been done with electrodes showing that plants react to being torn apart or harmed. They&#039;re another living creature. Just because they don&#039;t have a face doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t alive and have no feeling. Some plants actively reach out to the sun throughout the day. Is this not life? Plants are bombarded with insecticides and other unnatural chemicals. If the meat industry is horrific, so is our agriculture industry. Not to mention the fact that many animals would eat us given the chance. They eat each other. It&#039;s the circle of life. I&#039;m sure this is just going to anger you and make you or someone respond. I don&#039;t care. I&#039;m gonna go eat a steak just for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please refute the scientific evidence. Studies have been done with electrodes showing that plants react to being torn apart or harmed. They&#8217;re another living creature. Just because they don&#8217;t have a face doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t alive and have no feeling. Some plants actively reach out to the sun throughout the day. Is this not life? Plants are bombarded with insecticides and other unnatural chemicals. If the meat industry is horrific, so is our agriculture industry. Not to mention the fact that many animals would eat us given the chance. They eat each other. It&#8217;s the circle of life. I&#8217;m sure this is just going to anger you and make you or someone respond. I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;m gonna go eat a steak just for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Moo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 07:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who say agriculture and vegan-ism is good for society, read the short essay by Jared Diamond, &quot;The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race.&quot; It&#039;s a very interesting theory to say the least.

link:
http://anthropology.lbcc.edu/handoutsdocs/mistake.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who say agriculture and vegan-ism is good for society, read the short essay by Jared Diamond, &#8220;The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race.&#8221; It&#8217;s a very interesting theory to say the least.</p>
<p>link:<br />
<a href="http://anthropology.lbcc.edu/handoutsdocs/mistake.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://anthropology.lbcc.edu/handoutsdocs/mistake.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, one thing that can&#039;t really be argued against is agriculture does account for many of the problems faced by society today, mainly I am talking about overpopulation and urban crowding/disease Plant based diets allow more people to be fed which contributes to the former. When the people stopped following the migrational patterns of the animals they hunted, the latter arose. Without agriculture, societies could not have such large populations; simply, it is not feasible to have a population of 100,000 or even 1,000 that hunts for its own food. Hunter/gatherer is the original environmentalism. It keeps populations balanced, produces tiny amounts of waste, and doesn&#039;t cut down forests to make farming space or houses. Look at Native American cultures for example. They may have killed and eaten animals, but the thanked it for giving it&#039;s life and allowing them to consume it.

I am not trying to take a pro anything stance btw. I am an omnivore but I also get as many products as possible from farms and places where I can see the animals and know how they love. No, it is not convenient to drive to a farm 30 minutes away to get pasture eggs, but it is healthier and more humane to get those eggs than supposedly free range from Walmart. Same with milk. Although I know it is difficult to do that with meat and I don&#039;t always, I still do that as much as possible. I respect people who are vegan and vegetarian, but not when they try to force their views down others throats. (not intended at you btw, want to clarify in case it seemed so lol) what bothers me is the lack of respect for animal life that many meat eaters seem to have. The animal is the reason they are eating, not a supernatural being. People need to respect the life that has been sacrificed for them to live, plant or animal, and the should require and demand for those lives to be respected while it is alive. I.E. pasture, grass fed farming. (finished with my rant ha)

Thanks for your time,
Jonathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one thing that can&#8217;t really be argued against is agriculture does account for many of the problems faced by society today, mainly I am talking about overpopulation and urban crowding/disease Plant based diets allow more people to be fed which contributes to the former. When the people stopped following the migrational patterns of the animals they hunted, the latter arose. Without agriculture, societies could not have such large populations; simply, it is not feasible to have a population of 100,000 or even 1,000 that hunts for its own food. Hunter/gatherer is the original environmentalism. It keeps populations balanced, produces tiny amounts of waste, and doesn&#8217;t cut down forests to make farming space or houses. Look at Native American cultures for example. They may have killed and eaten animals, but the thanked it for giving it&#8217;s life and allowing them to consume it.</p>
<p>I am not trying to take a pro anything stance btw. I am an omnivore but I also get as many products as possible from farms and places where I can see the animals and know how they love. No, it is not convenient to drive to a farm 30 minutes away to get pasture eggs, but it is healthier and more humane to get those eggs than supposedly free range from Walmart. Same with milk. Although I know it is difficult to do that with meat and I don&#8217;t always, I still do that as much as possible. I respect people who are vegan and vegetarian, but not when they try to force their views down others throats. (not intended at you btw, want to clarify in case it seemed so lol) what bothers me is the lack of respect for animal life that many meat eaters seem to have. The animal is the reason they are eating, not a supernatural being. People need to respect the life that has been sacrificed for them to live, plant or animal, and the should require and demand for those lives to be respected while it is alive. I.E. pasture, grass fed farming. (finished with my rant ha)</p>
<p>Thanks for your time,<br />
Jonathan</p>
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		<title>By: Milo Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plants feel pain and terror and the evidence IS mounting.

The Three Stages of Truth
1. Ridicule
2. Violent Opposition
3. Acceptance 

The plants eater will come around, just like the animal eaters have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plants feel pain and terror and the evidence IS mounting.</p>
<p>The Three Stages of Truth<br />
1. Ridicule<br />
2. Violent Opposition<br />
3. Acceptance </p>
<p>The plants eater will come around, just like the animal eaters have.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMissingWeasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMissingWeasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 04:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meat tastes like awesome. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meat tastes like awesome. <img src='http://www.vegansoapbox.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alfonzo Carco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfonzo Carco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 11:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious to find out what blog system you are using? I&#039;m experiencing some small security issues with my latest website and I would like to find something more safeguarded. Do you have any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious to find out what blog system you are using? I&#8217;m experiencing some small security issues with my latest website and I would like to find something more safeguarded. Do you have any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your perception of a cow vs a potato is irrelevent. 
a faulty argument.</description>
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a faulty argument.</p>
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