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		<title>By: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2008-09-08</title>
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		<dc:creator>easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2008-09-08</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Vegan Soapbox: Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin On Animal Issues [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin Whines!!! - Page 2 - AllDeaf.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin Whines!!! - Page 2 - AllDeaf.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin Whines!!! - AllDeaf.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin Whines!!! - AllDeaf.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   Please read this for a more informed view point on how BOTH parrties stand on animal issues: Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin on Animal Issues     __________________ Animal testing destroys lives. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Helene Ryles</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/obama-biden-mccain-palin-on-animal-issues/comment-page-2/#comment-2635</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene Ryles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading in a disabled rights website the other day to see what both parties had to offer the disabled. This is a quote that I came up with that greatly concerned me. 

Quote:
We need to invest in biomedical research and stem cell research, so that we are at the leading edge of prevention and treatment. This includes adequate funding for research into diseases such as heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, breast cancer, diabetes, autism and other common and rare diseases, and disorders. We will increase funding to the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, and the National Cancer Institutes.  

So it seems Obama is going for extra funding in biomedical research. 

Taken from here: http://jfactivist.typepad.com/jfacti...e-the-rnc.html

It concerns me so much that I&#039;ve done a google and found more information here: http://www.bioresearchonline.com/art...?VNETCOOKIE=NO (unfortunately it&#039;s not accessable for me but from Google it said it was about Obama&#039;s stand on biomedical research)
http://www.highlighthealth.com/resou...nd-healthcare/
http://medical.bizcommunity.com/Arti...323/28521.html

Please note that all these sited are PRO animal testing so you will have to read between the lines. That is to say Obama is their buddy and will help them torture more animals as part of the american tax increase wheras Macain is going to reduce Biomedical research as part of his tax cuts. 

This paricular quote stands out: 

Quote:
&quot;Obama&#039;s STEM agenda shows his commitment to investing in the physical and life sciences&quot;.  


What I want to know is why is it not concerning anyone else in the animal rights movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading in a disabled rights website the other day to see what both parties had to offer the disabled. This is a quote that I came up with that greatly concerned me. </p>
<p>Quote:<br />
We need to invest in biomedical research and stem cell research, so that we are at the leading edge of prevention and treatment. This includes adequate funding for research into diseases such as heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, breast cancer, diabetes, autism and other common and rare diseases, and disorders. We will increase funding to the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, and the National Cancer Institutes.  </p>
<p>So it seems Obama is going for extra funding in biomedical research. </p>
<p>Taken from here: <a href="http://jfactivist.typepad.com/jfacti...e-the-rnc.html" rel="nofollow">http://jfactivist.typepad.com/jfacti&#8230;e-the-rnc.html</a></p>
<p>It concerns me so much that I&#8217;ve done a google and found more information here: <a href="http://www.bioresearchonline.com/art...?VNETCOOKIE=NO" rel="nofollow">http://www.bioresearchonline.com/art&#8230;?VNETCOOKIE=NO</a> (unfortunately it&#8217;s not accessable for me but from Google it said it was about Obama&#8217;s stand on biomedical research)<br />
<a href="http://www.highlighthealth.com/resou...nd-healthcare/" rel="nofollow">http://www.highlighthealth.com/resou&#8230;nd-healthcare/</a><br />
<a href="http://medical.bizcommunity.com/Arti...323/28521.html" rel="nofollow">http://medical.bizcommunity.com/Arti&#8230;323/28521.html</a></p>
<p>Please note that all these sited are PRO animal testing so you will have to read between the lines. That is to say Obama is their buddy and will help them torture more animals as part of the american tax increase wheras Macain is going to reduce Biomedical research as part of his tax cuts. </p>
<p>This paricular quote stands out: </p>
<p>Quote:<br />
&#8220;Obama&#8217;s STEM agenda shows his commitment to investing in the physical and life sciences&#8221;.  </p>
<p>What I want to know is why is it not concerning anyone else in the animal rights movement?</p>
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		<title>By: kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i loves animals and knowing that my president also loves animals and will help them out means the world to me. we are like animals if you dont like animals it is like not liking people. if you are a president that will help animals i respect you and give you a vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i loves animals and knowing that my president also loves animals and will help them out means the world to me. we are like animals if you dont like animals it is like not liking people. if you are a president that will help animals i respect you and give you a vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do your research people before calling Palin names b/c she supports hunting. FYI, Obama supports hunting. Google it! So, since both sides support it, now you have to chooses sides on other issues. Personally, I feel the safety of the U.S. is just as important of an issue as the economy is and McCain knows what it&#039;s like to be a Prisoner of War for 5 1/2 years and being tortured. He has one or two sons in Iraq. Do you think he wants his kid to get killed or tortured? He will not take war lightly. He will make the best decision for the U.S. to keep us safe. Japan and South Korea have had U.S. soldiers over there for many years for the purpose of keeping us safe. The point is that we need to remember safety for the U.S. is primary next to the economy. McCain is not going to raise taxes. Do you all realize that if taxes are raised on big companies like Obama proposes, the consumer (you) will have to pay more for products. For example, gas, food, clothes, etc.? If Wal-Mart gets taxed, they have to raise the prices. Do you think they&#039;ll take a loss for their taxes being raised? Keeping taxes down to the businesses is what will help the economy. The businesses will have more to re-invest in their business, such as hiring more employees. WAKE UP AMERICA. Remember, Fidel Castro came at the right time when Cubans wanted change real bad and they beleived everything he said. Words are just words. Obama became senator in 2005 and no military experience AT ALL. Common people, what kind of experience is that compared to McCain for the leader of the U.S., which leads the world too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do your research people before calling Palin names b/c she supports hunting. FYI, Obama supports hunting. Google it! So, since both sides support it, now you have to chooses sides on other issues. Personally, I feel the safety of the U.S. is just as important of an issue as the economy is and McCain knows what it&#8217;s like to be a Prisoner of War for 5 1/2 years and being tortured. He has one or two sons in Iraq. Do you think he wants his kid to get killed or tortured? He will not take war lightly. He will make the best decision for the U.S. to keep us safe. Japan and South Korea have had U.S. soldiers over there for many years for the purpose of keeping us safe. The point is that we need to remember safety for the U.S. is primary next to the economy. McCain is not going to raise taxes. Do you all realize that if taxes are raised on big companies like Obama proposes, the consumer (you) will have to pay more for products. For example, gas, food, clothes, etc.? If Wal-Mart gets taxed, they have to raise the prices. Do you think they&#8217;ll take a loss for their taxes being raised? Keeping taxes down to the businesses is what will help the economy. The businesses will have more to re-invest in their business, such as hiring more employees. WAKE UP AMERICA. Remember, Fidel Castro came at the right time when Cubans wanted change real bad and they beleived everything he said. Words are just words. Obama became senator in 2005 and no military experience AT ALL. Common people, what kind of experience is that compared to McCain for the leader of the U.S., which leads the world too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alaska is a different world. Their food prices are 4-10 times higher than in the lower 48 - think $10/lb for chicken, who could afford $50 for a chicken?  Granted vegans don&#039;t buy chicken but the rest do. Just about every food in Alaska has to be flown in and those huge transportation costs make groceries -- of any kind, vegan or non-vegan -- astronomical compared to the rest of the country. Diet may be a social choice for some but for many it&#039;s an economic and traditional choice as well. 

In Alaska, people are raised &quot;off the land&quot; which in a climate like that, means you eat more meat. Look at the indigenous people there, the Eskimo, their cuisine is based on meat because that is the only thing that is plentiful there year round. Sure they have some things to gather in the summer but not enough to last all year, so meat was by default the staple. This is simply the truth of survival in that land and so it becomes their tradition -- just like a lot of hunting is in other lands. 

Gov Palin was raised in this culture and if you look at food prices there, there is no way one can survive easily on a normal middle class income without supplementing the diet with &quot;free&quot; hunted meat. I agree with Maureen who wrote that people who hunt to eat are far different than those who hunt to slaughter for the fun of it. There is a big difference from survival to gleeful murder and Gov Palin&#039;s hunting falls in the first camp. Remember too that people who hunt typically have to adopt a way to internally deal with the act of it, a public bravado they adopt, as it is not easy to hunt when you have a heart and yet you must survive via hunted food. I know this because of my own husband who hunted as a kid because that was their family tradition. He quit as an adult because he couldn&#039;t stomach it and he could afford to find food in other ways (not in overpriced Alaska) so it wasn&#039;t required of him by family tradition or by economic stress. 

This adoption of a &quot;brave face&quot; is not much different than the one which must be adopted by healthcare workers who have to deal with the blood and guts and death of patients -- they find a way to muscle their way through via a tough outward face. Inside you find most of these people are sweet loving marshmallows.... the brave face is just a way to do what must be done.

Also on Barack Obama, remember that apparently he only &quot;loves&quot; animals because his daughters &quot;want one&quot;. Have we ever heard about any pets he cared about? From childhood or later? No. Why does he not have any animals to enrich his life and that of his kids right now? They have a lovely home with more than enough room and have owned this home for a few years now. Are pets too inconvenient for him, too much responsibility, too much trouble? Will the pets &quot;soil&quot; the lovely McMansion and so must be avoided at all costs? If you love animals, you know the richness they bring to life -- there is nothing that can replace the love of a dog or cat for the owner and vice versa, the bond, the family they become. Pets reduce stress, impart responsibility and compassion life lesson values and help us feel fulfilled in life while actually helping us emotionally and even medically as per studies. Why would anyone who says they love animals choose not to have animals in their life? Perhaps because they really don&#039;t love them and are just saying so for political gain? 

I also find it disturbing that Obama made a comment in interview this summer along the lines of  &quot;he promised his girls a dog &#039;once they get to the White House&#039; &quot; --  what, now a dog is a prize for the little girls based on whether or not their father is elected? That is just sad and so wrong in my book. A dog should come in for the sake of love, for the sake of soul and NOT for the sake of appearances or as a reward and appeasement. 

I think Barack Obama is the ultimate forked tongue politician - while John McCain does as he says, lives the way he shows it, and that honesty and integrity is what&#039;s most important to me. It surely doesn&#039;t hurt to know that McCain supports and loves dozens of pet in his home, enriching his family every day. People who have pets are more balanced, more real and more like me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alaska is a different world. Their food prices are 4-10 times higher than in the lower 48 &#8211; think $10/lb for chicken, who could afford $50 for a chicken?  Granted vegans don&#8217;t buy chicken but the rest do. Just about every food in Alaska has to be flown in and those huge transportation costs make groceries &#8212; of any kind, vegan or non-vegan &#8212; astronomical compared to the rest of the country. Diet may be a social choice for some but for many it&#8217;s an economic and traditional choice as well. </p>
<p>In Alaska, people are raised &#8220;off the land&#8221; which in a climate like that, means you eat more meat. Look at the indigenous people there, the Eskimo, their cuisine is based on meat because that is the only thing that is plentiful there year round. Sure they have some things to gather in the summer but not enough to last all year, so meat was by default the staple. This is simply the truth of survival in that land and so it becomes their tradition &#8212; just like a lot of hunting is in other lands. </p>
<p>Gov Palin was raised in this culture and if you look at food prices there, there is no way one can survive easily on a normal middle class income without supplementing the diet with &#8220;free&#8221; hunted meat. I agree with Maureen who wrote that people who hunt to eat are far different than those who hunt to slaughter for the fun of it. There is a big difference from survival to gleeful murder and Gov Palin&#8217;s hunting falls in the first camp. Remember too that people who hunt typically have to adopt a way to internally deal with the act of it, a public bravado they adopt, as it is not easy to hunt when you have a heart and yet you must survive via hunted food. I know this because of my own husband who hunted as a kid because that was their family tradition. He quit as an adult because he couldn&#8217;t stomach it and he could afford to find food in other ways (not in overpriced Alaska) so it wasn&#8217;t required of him by family tradition or by economic stress. </p>
<p>This adoption of a &#8220;brave face&#8221; is not much different than the one which must be adopted by healthcare workers who have to deal with the blood and guts and death of patients &#8212; they find a way to muscle their way through via a tough outward face. Inside you find most of these people are sweet loving marshmallows&#8230;. the brave face is just a way to do what must be done.</p>
<p>Also on Barack Obama, remember that apparently he only &#8220;loves&#8221; animals because his daughters &#8220;want one&#8221;. Have we ever heard about any pets he cared about? From childhood or later? No. Why does he not have any animals to enrich his life and that of his kids right now? They have a lovely home with more than enough room and have owned this home for a few years now. Are pets too inconvenient for him, too much responsibility, too much trouble? Will the pets &#8220;soil&#8221; the lovely McMansion and so must be avoided at all costs? If you love animals, you know the richness they bring to life &#8212; there is nothing that can replace the love of a dog or cat for the owner and vice versa, the bond, the family they become. Pets reduce stress, impart responsibility and compassion life lesson values and help us feel fulfilled in life while actually helping us emotionally and even medically as per studies. Why would anyone who says they love animals choose not to have animals in their life? Perhaps because they really don&#8217;t love them and are just saying so for political gain? </p>
<p>I also find it disturbing that Obama made a comment in interview this summer along the lines of  &#8220;he promised his girls a dog &#8216;once they get to the White House&#8217; &#8221; &#8212;  what, now a dog is a prize for the little girls based on whether or not their father is elected? That is just sad and so wrong in my book. A dog should come in for the sake of love, for the sake of soul and NOT for the sake of appearances or as a reward and appeasement. </p>
<p>I think Barack Obama is the ultimate forked tongue politician &#8211; while John McCain does as he says, lives the way he shows it, and that honesty and integrity is what&#8217;s most important to me. It surely doesn&#8217;t hurt to know that McCain supports and loves dozens of pet in his home, enriching his family every day. People who have pets are more balanced, more real and more like me!</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf History - AllDeaf.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf History - AllDeaf.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] beating them to death or abusing them while in the slaughterhouses. We need a vegan president.    Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin on Animal Issues  A lot of the stuff on Sarah Palin only seems to focus on Bears and Wolves. Mind you she does [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] beating them to death or abusing them while in the slaughterhouses. We need a vegan president.    Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin on Animal Issues  A lot of the stuff on Sarah Palin only seems to focus on Bears and Wolves. Mind you she does [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chessbuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chessbuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did an animal lover like McCain end up with an animal killer like Palin? As they say, politics make for strange bedfellows. But all three candidates in two tickets will and have supported bills favoring animal welfare. Palin is the exception, for she supported aerial hunting of wolves, the delisting of polar bears from the endangered list, offered a $150 bounty for every wolf foreleg, and has boasted of a freezer full of killed animals. Expect Palin to have no sympathy for animal welfare if she becomes VP, or President of the United States. There is a one out of five chances that McCain will not complete a term. Nothing but dark clouds for the Palin-McCain ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did an animal lover like McCain end up with an animal killer like Palin? As they say, politics make for strange bedfellows. But all three candidates in two tickets will and have supported bills favoring animal welfare. Palin is the exception, for she supported aerial hunting of wolves, the delisting of polar bears from the endangered list, offered a $150 bounty for every wolf foreleg, and has boasted of a freezer full of killed animals. Expect Palin to have no sympathy for animal welfare if she becomes VP, or President of the United States. There is a one out of five chances that McCain will not complete a term. Nothing but dark clouds for the Palin-McCain ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, the HSUS endorses Obama:
https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the HSUS endorses Obama:<br />
<a href="https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157" rel="nofollow">https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157</a></p>
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