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	<title>Comments on: More Compassionate, Nonviolent, And Just Than Alternatives</title>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/more-compassionate-nonviolent-and-just-than-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-6945</link>
		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you, Gregory. My personal experiences suggest that leafleting IS worthwhile. Many people will simply discard the leaflets, but a significant number will read them and think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you, Gregory. My personal experiences suggest that leafleting IS worthwhile. Many people will simply discard the leaflets, but a significant number will read them and think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory A. Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/more-compassionate-nonviolent-and-just-than-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-6926</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory A. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wondered why so many folks who believe in social change are so committed to &quot;nonviolence&quot;. 

The cold hard fact is - VIOLENCE WORKS - and is, by far, the most effective way of achieving social change.

I&#039;m an African American man who works in the construction industry in New York City, and the only reason that I have my job is because there were Black and Latino men willing to risk their lives and freedom by waging violent protests that forced contractors, unions and the City of New York to desegregate the industry.

This happened during a time period when there were widespread urban uprisings in Black and Latino communities, where protesters  used violence to force an end to the more egregious forms of racial discrimination against people of color in this country.

And I could go on - but the bottom line is simple, social change comes through violence.

Nobody ever won by having the &quot;moral high ground&quot; - but lots of causes have won because one side was willing to be more violent than the other side.

So, if you&#039;re really serious about the moral superiority of not killing animals for meat (and I totally disagree with that concept, but for the sake of argument let me put it out there) are you prepared to actually DO SOMETHING to coerce the folks who profit from raising, slaughtering and marketing meat for human consumption?

Cause, on the real, if all you&#039;re willing to do is hand out some leaflets, folks are just going to toss those leaflets into the wastebasket on their way into the supermarket to buy a pound of hamburger and some pork sausage and the chickens, turkeys, pigs and cows will continue to be send down the chain to be cut up at the slaughterhouses.
.-= Gregory A. Butler´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://gangboxnews.blogspot.com/2009/11/newswatch-wednesday-111809-353-pm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE NEWSWATCH Wednesday 11/18/09 3:53 PM&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered why so many folks who believe in social change are so committed to &#8220;nonviolence&#8221;. </p>
<p>The cold hard fact is &#8211; VIOLENCE WORKS &#8211; and is, by far, the most effective way of achieving social change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an African American man who works in the construction industry in New York City, and the only reason that I have my job is because there were Black and Latino men willing to risk their lives and freedom by waging violent protests that forced contractors, unions and the City of New York to desegregate the industry.</p>
<p>This happened during a time period when there were widespread urban uprisings in Black and Latino communities, where protesters  used violence to force an end to the more egregious forms of racial discrimination against people of color in this country.</p>
<p>And I could go on &#8211; but the bottom line is simple, social change comes through violence.</p>
<p>Nobody ever won by having the &#8220;moral high ground&#8221; &#8211; but lots of causes have won because one side was willing to be more violent than the other side.</p>
<p>So, if you&#8217;re really serious about the moral superiority of not killing animals for meat (and I totally disagree with that concept, but for the sake of argument let me put it out there) are you prepared to actually DO SOMETHING to coerce the folks who profit from raising, slaughtering and marketing meat for human consumption?</p>
<p>Cause, on the real, if all you&#8217;re willing to do is hand out some leaflets, folks are just going to toss those leaflets into the wastebasket on their way into the supermarket to buy a pound of hamburger and some pork sausage and the chickens, turkeys, pigs and cows will continue to be send down the chain to be cut up at the slaughterhouses.<br />
.-= Gregory A. Butler´s last blog ..<a href="http://gangboxnews.blogspot.com/2009/11/newswatch-wednesday-111809-353-pm.html" rel="nofollow">THE NEWSWATCH Wednesday 11/18/09 3:53 PM</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Hebert</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/more-compassionate-nonviolent-and-just-than-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-6925</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Hebert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is counter productive for any Vegan to demean the methods of another because it doesn&#039;t emcompass everything. Some try to &#039;quantify&#039; results and that in itself is flawed. Each of us live in a cobweb of friends, associates, and contacts. Any one person might have indirectly influnced a million people eventually and not even know it. There are too few of us for any one of us to be discounted as non-relevant.
.-= Harry Hebert´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://apps.mossypooh.com/Blog/?e=40332&amp;d=11/19/2009&amp;s=Quotes%20-%20Page%20184&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quotes - Page 184&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is counter productive for any Vegan to demean the methods of another because it doesn&#8217;t emcompass everything. Some try to &#8216;quantify&#8217; results and that in itself is flawed. Each of us live in a cobweb of friends, associates, and contacts. Any one person might have indirectly influnced a million people eventually and not even know it. There are too few of us for any one of us to be discounted as non-relevant.<br />
.-= Harry Hebert´s last blog ..<a href="http://apps.mossypooh.com/Blog/?e=40332&amp;d=11/19/2009&amp;s=Quotes%20-%20Page%20184" rel="nofollow">Quotes &#8211; Page 184</a> =-.</p>
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