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		<title>By: nobody is on the scene</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody is on the scene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bea Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bea Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to do right by fishes: I have a large outdoor pond... With only 6 fishes it&#039;s a very spacious environment for them.  Frogs &amp; bugs lay their eggs and this provides the majority of their fish meals.  But even though it&#039;s as &quot;natural&quot; as possible, they still depend on me to unstop and clean the filter so the water/oxygen keeps flowing. And I don&#039;t like this situation at all... Being responsible for the very &quot;air&quot; that is necessary to keep life going - Well, it&#039;s like being a god. And often this &quot;god&quot; puts their needs very low on the list... :(

I think it&#039;s interesting though, that one of the first &quot;pets&quot; a child will usually get is a fish - This begins the whole indoctrination into confining and controlling another being for our amusement.  After that graduate to &quot;catching&quot; fish for pleasure...   I think keeping fishes like any other life that could live independent of us, starts a very slippery slope that winds up in pig barns and slaughterhouses - All desperately needing glass walls, I agree!
.-= Bea Elliott´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://beaelliott.blogspot.com/index.html#3557088176844515090&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Round Two - Eating Pigs and Dog - Are Tastebuds Ruling Your Logic Go Vegan!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to do right by fishes: I have a large outdoor pond&#8230; With only 6 fishes it&#8217;s a very spacious environment for them.  Frogs &amp; bugs lay their eggs and this provides the majority of their fish meals.  But even though it&#8217;s as &#8220;natural&#8221; as possible, they still depend on me to unstop and clean the filter so the water/oxygen keeps flowing. And I don&#8217;t like this situation at all&#8230; Being responsible for the very &#8220;air&#8221; that is necessary to keep life going &#8211; Well, it&#8217;s like being a god. And often this &#8220;god&#8221; puts their needs very low on the list&#8230; <img src='http://www.vegansoapbox.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting though, that one of the first &#8220;pets&#8221; a child will usually get is a fish &#8211; This begins the whole indoctrination into confining and controlling another being for our amusement.  After that graduate to &#8220;catching&#8221; fish for pleasure&#8230;   I think keeping fishes like any other life that could live independent of us, starts a very slippery slope that winds up in pig barns and slaughterhouses &#8211; All desperately needing glass walls, I agree!<br />
.-= Bea Elliott´s last blog ..<a href="http://beaelliott.blogspot.com/index.html#3557088176844515090" rel="nofollow">Round Two &#8211; Eating Pigs and Dog &#8211; Are Tastebuds Ruling Your Logic Go Vegan!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/glass-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-6970</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First point... this totally disproves the industry&#039;s constant theme of &quot;we take care of our animals 24/7&quot;.  It must have taken at least 5 - 7 hours for these pigs to die.  The truth is, their systems are so &quot;automated&quot;, everything takes care of itself.  They need only record (inspect) gauge measurements once/twice a day.  This is a &quot;machine&quot;... not a place where farmers &quot;work&quot;.

And I guess I&#039;m a suspicious soul by nature.  When I hear of these barn fatalities and the frequent barns that go up in flames... My first inclination is to think &quot;scam&quot; at the hands of the owners/managers.  They are always covered by insurance and these incidents seems to happen when their market takes a down turn. I wouldn&#039;t rule out the &quot;farmers&quot; if I were investigating these cases, that&#039;s for sure. 

But I do agree, more people - everybody - needs to be made aware of what horrors are in these hell holes.
.-= Bea Elliott´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://beaelliott.blogspot.com/2009/11/two-face-animal-ag-billboard.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Face Animal Ag Billboard - Slaughterhouse Care&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First point&#8230; this totally disproves the industry&#8217;s constant theme of &#8220;we take care of our animals 24/7&#8243;.  It must have taken at least 5 &#8211; 7 hours for these pigs to die.  The truth is, their systems are so &#8220;automated&#8221;, everything takes care of itself.  They need only record (inspect) gauge measurements once/twice a day.  This is a &#8220;machine&#8221;&#8230; not a place where farmers &#8220;work&#8221;.</p>
<p>And I guess I&#8217;m a suspicious soul by nature.  When I hear of these barn fatalities and the frequent barns that go up in flames&#8230; My first inclination is to think &#8220;scam&#8221; at the hands of the owners/managers.  They are always covered by insurance and these incidents seems to happen when their market takes a down turn. I wouldn&#8217;t rule out the &#8220;farmers&#8221; if I were investigating these cases, that&#8217;s for sure. </p>
<p>But I do agree, more people &#8211; everybody &#8211; needs to be made aware of what horrors are in these hell holes.<br />
.-= Bea Elliott´s last blog ..<a href="http://beaelliott.blogspot.com/2009/11/two-face-animal-ag-billboard.html" rel="nofollow">Two Face Animal Ag Billboard &#8211; Slaughterhouse Care</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Peaceiscomingforyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peaceiscomingforyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this story. It is interesting how some companion animals are viewed in terms of dollars or investment. When your dog dies, you don&#039;t say, &quot;Damn, she was purebred, too, cost me $1200 plus food and toys, I&#039;m out big on this loss...&quot; However, I was recently talking to a friend who talked about a power outage killing $1000 worth of tropical fish in his tank at home and how devastated he was at the loss [of money]. I hope when I die, my life isn&#039;t summed up by my monetary worth. 

&quot;Here lies this guy,
buried in the Earth,
$43 was in his account,
that&#039;s what he was worth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this story. It is interesting how some companion animals are viewed in terms of dollars or investment. When your dog dies, you don&#8217;t say, &#8220;Damn, she was purebred, too, cost me $1200 plus food and toys, I&#8217;m out big on this loss&#8230;&#8221; However, I was recently talking to a friend who talked about a power outage killing $1000 worth of tropical fish in his tank at home and how devastated he was at the loss [of money]. I hope when I die, my life isn&#8217;t summed up by my monetary worth. </p>
<p>&#8220;Here lies this guy,<br />
buried in the Earth,<br />
$43 was in his account,<br />
that&#8217;s what he was worth.&#8221;</p>
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