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	<title>Comments on: Daniel Shaull&#8217;s Sacrifice</title>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people have their own opinions  about  this and that,  we all like to chew the fat of this world,
then there is this person who´s  just simply chosen   not to chew the fat  anymore  and  prefered to die   before continuing   to be   in the queue of human sheep.  In my book  this  person is  a hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people have their own opinions  about  this and that,  we all like to chew the fat of this world,<br />
then there is this person who´s  just simply chosen   not to chew the fat  anymore  and  prefered to die   before continuing   to be   in the queue of human sheep.  In my book  this  person is  a hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowy Le Blonde</title>
		<link>http://www.vegansoapbox.com/daniel-shaulls-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-7848</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowy Le Blonde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone has a right to take there own life. After all it is there life. Religious folks do muddy the water with their dogma. David Hume the great philosopher could not even get his essay on suicide published in Britain because of the opposition of the Church.

Why he took his life is another matter and a matter of some conjecture. The fact remains he has every right to take that which is his:his own life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone has a right to take there own life. After all it is there life. Religious folks do muddy the water with their dogma. David Hume the great philosopher could not even get his essay on suicide published in Britain because of the opposition of the Church.</p>
<p>Why he took his life is another matter and a matter of some conjecture. The fact remains he has every right to take that which is his:his own life.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in no way is it meant to be derogatory. Its just making me mad people are speculating so much when they didn&#039;t know him and what he was dealing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in no way is it meant to be derogatory. Its just making me mad people are speculating so much when they didn&#8217;t know him and what he was dealing with.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is a hero in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a hero in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to believe that even persons who have been institutionalized/diagnosed/medicated/etc have the right to make their own choices and deserve respect for those choices, so long as those choices don&#039;t harm others. I don&#039;t think choices have to be entirely rational in order to be respected. 

Until someone shows me that Daniel considered himself mentally ill, I refuse to use that term and I consider it derogatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to believe that even persons who have been institutionalized/diagnosed/medicated/etc have the right to make their own choices and deserve respect for those choices, so long as those choices don&#8217;t harm others. I don&#8217;t think choices have to be entirely rational in order to be respected. </p>
<p>Until someone shows me that Daniel considered himself mentally ill, I refuse to use that term and I consider it derogatory.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew him quite well. Such a tragedy where his illness led him. Its kind of stupid how people are calling it all this bs. If you knew him or anything about him you would know he was very disturbed mentally and institutionalized a lot of his life. If you don&#039;t know him from personal experience and obviously don&#039;t know your facts and what you&#039;re talking about, then maybe you need not speak about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew him quite well. Such a tragedy where his illness led him. Its kind of stupid how people are calling it all this bs. If you knew him or anything about him you would know he was very disturbed mentally and institutionalized a lot of his life. If you don&#8217;t know him from personal experience and obviously don&#8217;t know your facts and what you&#8217;re talking about, then maybe you need not speak about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentric Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the use of the word &quot;sacrifice&quot;:
It may be helpful to read the Wikipedia article on &lt;strong&gt;&quot;self-immolation,&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; the term generally accepted for the act of setting ones self on fire in protest. The article states that the word &quot;immolation&quot; literally means &quot;sacrifice.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation

Shull&#039;s true motives will never be known. He may or may not have been a true animal advocate and he may not have intended to sacrifice himself. But &lt;strong&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to jump to the conclusion that he had a severe mental illness, particularly because mental illness is so often defined merely as acting differently than the majority, which is exactly what virtually all protest is - acting differently.&lt;/strong&gt;

I certainly don&#039;t mean to idolize him or make suicide look like something heroic. &lt;strong&gt;I don&#039;t believe suicide is ever a good option.&lt;/strong&gt; But I have enough respect for other people that I&#039;m unwilling to discount the potential meaning that he intended through his action. I&#039;m unwilling to sweep his death under the rug and simply call him &quot;ill.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the use of the word &#8220;sacrifice&#8221;:<br />
It may be helpful to read the Wikipedia article on <strong>&#8220;self-immolation,&#8221;</strong> the term generally accepted for the act of setting ones self on fire in protest. The article states that the word &#8220;immolation&#8221; literally means &#8220;sacrifice.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation</a></p>
<p>Shull&#8217;s true motives will never be known. He may or may not have been a true animal advocate and he may not have intended to sacrifice himself. But <strong>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to jump to the conclusion that he had a severe mental illness, particularly because mental illness is so often defined merely as acting differently than the majority, which is exactly what virtually all protest is &#8211; acting differently.</strong></p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t mean to idolize him or make suicide look like something heroic. <strong>I don&#8217;t believe suicide is ever a good option.</strong> But I have enough respect for other people that I&#8217;m unwilling to discount the potential meaning that he intended through his action. I&#8217;m unwilling to sweep his death under the rug and simply call him &#8220;ill.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR

&quot;but selfish acts like Mr. Shaull’s help us in absolutely no way.&quot;

I&#039;m wondering what gives you the right to call him selfish? We don&#039;t know what kind of life he had or why he did this. To call someone who you somehow have been able to diagnose as having &quot;severe mental illness&quot; a selfish person is pretty low. I like how you dive right into chocolate soy milk after insulting a person who was probably suffering intensely in one way or another....

Additionally, to bash animal rights and eco activists for not doing enough for humans is short sighted. Human suffering is often directly linked to our animal and environmental abuses. It is all connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR</p>
<p>&#8220;but selfish acts like Mr. Shaull’s help us in absolutely no way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering what gives you the right to call him selfish? We don&#8217;t know what kind of life he had or why he did this. To call someone who you somehow have been able to diagnose as having &#8220;severe mental illness&#8221; a selfish person is pretty low. I like how you dive right into chocolate soy milk after insulting a person who was probably suffering intensely in one way or another&#8230;.</p>
<p>Additionally, to bash animal rights and eco activists for not doing enough for humans is short sighted. Human suffering is often directly linked to our animal and environmental abuses. It is all connected.</p>
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		<title>By: veganprimate</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganprimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a foster care program years ago, and I had to attend a presentation for work.  The presenter mentioned that the first advocates for child welfare were the people from the ASPCA.
.-= veganprimate´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://veganprimate.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/how-about-a-compromise/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How about a compromise?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a foster care program years ago, and I had to attend a presentation for work.  The presenter mentioned that the first advocates for child welfare were the people from the ASPCA.<br />
.-= veganprimate´s last blog ..<a href="http://veganprimate.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/how-about-a-compromise/" rel="nofollow">How about a compromise?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegetarian who knew him</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegetarian who knew him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful about glorifying this man.  I knew him back in Kansas and as a vegetarian can say he wasn&#039;t very positive about this lifestyle.  I imagine it was more impulsiveness from his mental illness problems and excessive meth abuse.  He&#039;s the last person on earth any group proclaiming moral values would want to be associated with, this is probably the only kind or good thing I&#039;ve heard of him doing.  So I hope for the sake of good causes animal rights groups distance themselves from him before they really know who this man is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful about glorifying this man.  I knew him back in Kansas and as a vegetarian can say he wasn&#8217;t very positive about this lifestyle.  I imagine it was more impulsiveness from his mental illness problems and excessive meth abuse.  He&#8217;s the last person on earth any group proclaiming moral values would want to be associated with, this is probably the only kind or good thing I&#8217;ve heard of him doing.  So I hope for the sake of good causes animal rights groups distance themselves from him before they really know who this man is.</p>
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