Comments on: Compassion For All Beings

By: Resources For The Human Animal Rights Discussion

Resources For The Human Animal Rights Discussion — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:39:34 +0000

[...] “You care more about animals than you care about people,” you have a number of ways to respond. If you choose, you can explain how animal rights are linked to human [...]

By: Jennie

Jennie — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:22:38 +0000

Why don't people assume we express the same compassion for the caged animal and the chef, at least in terms of his personal life? I mean, it makes sense to say that if I am more concerned about suffering, then I would like to see it reduced period, not just for an arbitrary group. I for one don't get how living conditions for animals and gay marriage have an inverse correlation (i.e. when one goes up, the other goes down), but hey, it's not like I've taken a zillion research and statistics classes. I mean, usually to prove a relationship like that you need some data, not just an ASSumption, but I guess in California we can just throw the scientific method right out the window. Maybe one of these people could explain it. ~ Recent blog post: "Compassion For All Beings" ~

By: Eccentric Vegan

Eccentric Vegan — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:59:00 +0000

Regarding 2015: Thank you. I will update the post.

By: vegangrrrl

vegangrrrl — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:19:41 +0000

Correction: Prop 2 won’t take effect until 2015. And I completely agree, this is inches but we have miles to go!

I was for Prop 2 and against Prop 8 but I also find this reaction from some of those against Prop 8 horribly upsetting. There is no comparison. Isaac Bashevis Singer put it much better than I could when he said,”In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they’re the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.”

By: veganprimate

veganprimate — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:18:43 +0000

I don’t see how it is anti-human to be pro-animal. After all, the conditions in factory farms turn the people who work there into monsters. If factory farming were abolished, it would be helping people, too. Slaughterhouse workers are ofen abusive to their spouses and have run-ins with the law. How is this good for humans?

By: Judith

Judith — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:04:44 +0000

The way I figure it, crudely, the majority of those who voted yes on prop 2 also voted no on prop 8. Kinda stands together, that kind of thinking. So that means (I admit, it’s crude) that about 14% of those who voted yes on prop 2 also voted yes on prop 8. Meaning there are born-again Christians and others who care about animal conditions – not exactly a huge surprise – but whose religion says no on the marriage.

In other words, it isn’t California in general that “put animals ahead of people”. what it means is that many fundamentalists and others are compassionate. They can’t get past the same-sex marriage idea for whatever reason but it isn’t that hard to see the cruelty in factory farming.

As others here have said, it isn’t a matter of one or the other, and it isn’t as if the two are in any way related.

Incidentally, black people voted disproportionately for prop 8. I have not figured that out and I don’t particularly like the explanations I have heard.

~ Recent blog post: Compassion For All Beings ~

By: kelly g.

kelly g. — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:20:21 +0000

My sister, who lives in Sacramento, voted for Prop 2 and against Prop 8…after much urging from this veg*n and GLBT ally, natch. (Because she only sporadically votes, not because she eats meat or hates GLBT people.)

And what’s with this idea that compassion is like a finite pie that you have to save up to share with only the hungriest of the lot? As my views regarding non-human animals have evolved, my views on issues involving human animals have become more progressive, as well. An obvious example is the death penalty: because I’ve come to a place where I support a policy of non-aggression and respect for life, I can no longer support state-sanctioned murder, regardless of the crime or how much the criminal may “deserve” to be put to death.

So there

~ Recent blog post: Goodbye, my sweet pit bull girl. ~

By: Anna

Anna — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:05:16 +0000

that pissed me off too when i read that. one of my facebook friends posted that, knowing that i am a big supporter of prop2. wasn’t sure if that was a stab at me. i don’t even know what’s the right way to convince these ppl. it seems like anything i say comes off as militant.