Comments on: A Comment On The “Plant Problem” http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/ vegan theory, vegan activism, vegan video, vegan food and vegan resources for vegans, vegetarians, animal rights activists, animal liberationists, and abolitionists Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:55:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Thoughtful and snappy retorts http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 Thoughtful and snappy retorts Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:04:54 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1292 [...] then the snappy one. For example, in answer to the question about plants feeling pain (recently admirably explored in these very pages by Alex Melonas), Vegan Street offers several paragraphs about what is [...] [...] then the snappy one. For example, in answer to the question about plants feeling pain (recently admirably explored in these very pages by Alex Melonas), Vegan Street offers several paragraphs about what is [...]

]]> By: Karen Johnson http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Karen Johnson Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:10:43 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1274 "If plants feel pain, we ought to consume them directly as opposed to wasting them through food production: sending 15-25 pounds of plant protein through a nonhuman to get 1 edible pound of animal protein in return is a lot of unnecessary suffering given that we could simply eat all those plants directly." Actually we only need to eat our actual protein requirements now, which in your ratio would mean 1 pound of plant protein, thus saving 14-24 pounds of plants. This also reduces the deforestation, as well as reducing the killing of insects and fieldmice in the farming and harvesting process. By the way, do they anaesthetise their asparagus before boiling them? Would they ever consider chopping up a live baby pig on their kitchen counter in front of their children? I don't think so. Its pointless to defend a hypothetical position, as people will keep on moving the goalposts. Make it real. Make it about them, in their lives. Are they willing to cause less suffering? That's what matters. “If plants feel pain, we ought to consume them directly as opposed to wasting them through food production: sending 15-25 pounds of plant protein through a nonhuman to get 1 edible pound of animal protein in return is a lot of unnecessary suffering given that we could simply eat all those plants directly.”

Actually we only need to eat our actual protein requirements now, which in your ratio would mean 1 pound of plant protein, thus saving 14-24 pounds of plants.

This also reduces the deforestation, as well as reducing the killing of insects and fieldmice in the farming and harvesting process.

By the way, do they anaesthetise their asparagus before boiling them? Would they ever consider chopping up a live baby pig on their kitchen counter in front of their children? I don’t think so.

Its pointless to defend a hypothetical position, as people will keep on moving the goalposts. Make it real. Make it about them, in their lives. Are they willing to cause less suffering? That’s what matters.

]]> By: Bea Elliott http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1200 Bea Elliott Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:46:20 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1200 I saw Elaine's comment and Meghan's.... a few other brillian vegan writers has attempted to set this author straight.... I'm still digesting "harvesting animals causes no harm" - what a crock! How could anyone fairly "intelligent" ever direct themselves deliberately into the meat industry anyway? I guess if thats your "plan" you swallow and make up what ever BS you need to.... And the comparison of the baby pig in one hand and brick in the other..... great visuals! I'm at a loss sometime explaining the involuntary killing of insects & animals during veg harvests.... I have a cow in one hand and a cricket in the other.... If one HAS to go - guess what, I'm letting the cow live. I'm sure some would argue that's "speciesist".... but really, there's no way for "zero impact" unless I undo my entire life - So the "harm" is justifiable in the most extreme of circumstances. But of course, that's usually where arguments and reasoning take us - Good post. Thanks! I saw Elaine’s comment and Meghan’s…. a few other brillian vegan writers has attempted to set this author straight…. I’m still digesting “harvesting animals causes no harm” – what a crock! How could anyone fairly “intelligent” ever direct themselves deliberately into the meat industry anyway? I guess if thats your “plan” you swallow and make up what ever BS you need to….

And the comparison of the baby pig in one hand and brick in the other….. great visuals! I’m at a loss sometime explaining the involuntary killing of insects & animals during veg harvests…. I have a cow in one hand and a cricket in the other…. If one HAS to go – guess what, I’m letting the cow live. I’m sure some would argue that’s “speciesist”…. but really, there’s no way for “zero impact” unless I undo my entire life – So the “harm” is justifiable in the most extreme of circumstances. But of course, that’s usually where arguments and reasoning take us – Good post. Thanks!

]]> By: Eccentric Vegan http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1195 Eccentric Vegan Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:44:15 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1195 "veganism is the morally correct choice even if plants suffer because of the inefficiency and wastefulness inherent in funneling plant protein through nonhumans so as to produce animal protein." That's what I usually say. I say something along the lines of that I can't be certain about anyone's suffering but my own, but I have good reason to believe animals (including other humans) feel pain and I lack good reason to believe plants feel pain. But I can do better. I can reduce the potential amount of suffering I impose upon any living being by choosing to only consume plants and not animals. “veganism is the morally correct choice even if plants suffer because of the inefficiency and wastefulness inherent in funneling plant protein through nonhumans so as to produce animal protein.”

That’s what I usually say. I say something along the lines of that I can’t be certain about anyone’s suffering but my own, but I have good reason to believe animals (including other humans) feel pain and I lack good reason to believe plants feel pain. But I can do better. I can reduce the potential amount of suffering I impose upon any living being by choosing to only consume plants and not animals.

]]> By: Eccentric Vegan http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1194 Eccentric Vegan Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:29:44 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1194 From the article "harvesting an animal for food causes no harm." What BS From the article
“harvesting an animal for food causes no harm.”
What BS

]]> By: Meghan http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-comment-on-the-plant-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 Meghan Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:51:52 +0000 http://www.vegansoapbox.com/?p=659#comment-1191 Just found this article on vegan.com http://www.redandblack.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=20c1f8f8-dc3f-404d-9d7a-d1e6956a5a51 If any vegans out there are feeling feisty today you might want to head over and leave a comment! Just found this article on vegan.com

http://www.redandblack.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=20c1f8f8-dc3f-404d-9d7a-d1e6956a5a51

If any vegans out there are feeling feisty today you might want to head over and leave a comment!

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